KAMBOSOS-HANEY, DE LA HOYA, 140 LBS, 135 LBS, MORE… || FIGHTHYPE.COM

Welcome to a different version of Magno’s Bulging Mail Sack, a Thursday custom from the boxing author who pledges to challenge a minimum of a half-dozen Will Smith slaps on the Boxing Writers Affiliation of America annual awards dinner– if he ever will get invited to at least one. This week, we’ve feedback/questions relating to the 140 and 135 lb. divisions, Oscar De La Hoya’s grudges, and the contentious world of Kambosos-Haney.

140/135

Hello Paul.

Scripting this e mail to succeed in the weekly mailbag, my subject now could be 140 Kilos. There are a variety of guys that might make for fairly entertaining fights, and seeing how most of them are aligned with Prime Rank, we would see them occur.

If I needed to rank them it could be like this:

-Catterall

-Prograis

-Zepeda

-Ramirez

-Teofimo Lopez

-Gary A. Rusell

-Arnold Barboza

Who do you see as the higher of them in the event that they combat one another?

As for my new hope of fights at 135, I feel it’s going to all rely on if Tank finally ends up leaving PBC and Mayweather (Crossing my fingers). If he does, that opens up the door for Ryan Garcia and even whoever comes on prime of the Kambosos-Haney combat…

Regards.

— Miguel Roa

Hey Miguel.

I feel the 135-140 weight vary goes to be actual fluid for the subsequent couple of years, with fighters shifting up and sometimes down for giant fights as they grow to be out there. I feel we may even see Ryan Garcia at 140 very quickly. Haney could also be there after his two Kambosos fights, win or lose, as properly. So, sooner or later, we could need to lump all these names collectively to rank them. 

Proper now, with everybody staying put at their present weight class, I’d be tempted to rank Prograis above all of them, a minimum of for now– and assuming he stays sharp by being extra lively. Lopez is intriguing, assuming he can get his head and physique collectively. Barboza and Russell are in the identical boat– I nonetheless need to see extra. I’m additionally nonetheless reserving judgment on Catterall.

For me, 135 remains to be the extra intriguing division. Tank Davis vs. Lomachenko can be a real boxing fan’s dream combat, despite the fact that it’s unlikely to occur. You could possibly take any of the highest canines at 135 and blend and match them for high quality fights. The second tier of the division can also be superb and will present any variety of high quality fights. 

Hopefully, boxing enterprise doesn’t get in the best way of boxing but once more. 

Kambosos, the Diva vs. Haney?

Haney vs the so-called Spartan (like which means anytning) Kambosos

Hey Paul it’s been a minute! Hope all is properly. I wish to apologize beforehand for the lengthy put up. Nevertheless, I have to kill some narratives and get this off my chest. Let’s bounce proper in.

Wow, am I comfortable this combat is lastly accomplished I THINK!  Boxing is my second favourite sport. I completely like it. I take into account myself a die arduous fan. I’ve been in opposition to many individuals saying boxing is dying blah blah blah, you understand all of the previous man discuss (I’m a millennial). Nevertheless, this combat merely exhibits how unhealthy boxing actually is as an entire. Let’s dig deeper.

Ducking is a sin. And Kambosos can pay for his transgressions. Simply as Loma was in a position to skip the road and combat for a belt after spending his prime within the amateurs beating up teenagers. He was led to the rugged part-time Uber driver in Salido and was crushed by the 14 loss fighter. Then he skips the road once more and fights for a title proper after. Then the WBC permits him to skip over Haney to combat Campbell. Quick ahead, he drops the belt to keep away from Haney, fights Lopez and loses. Lopez is ducking Haney, making an attempt to cost himself out then he will get beat. If Haney is such straightforward work and he’s feather fisted why is he being averted a lot? Insert an image of Ryan Garcia. A person who requested to be faraway from the mando postion as a way to not face Haney. Unbelievable. I don’t wish to hear about ticket gross sales or drawing energy. Ryan Garcia has by no means made greater than 250k for any combat. He’s additionally an absolute boxing non-draw. 12 and 13-year-old white and Hispanic ladies don’t purchase boxing tickets they usually def don’t attend fights. Loma isn’t a draw, he sells no tickets and Lopez is worse. Haney is not any Tank who outsells all of them and makes greater than all of them at 135, however Haney additionally makes extra and sells greater than the earlier fighters I discussed. I say all that to say this.

Kambosos was the diva he talked about when referencing Lopez. A 10M greenback purse demand for a man that has by no means bought greater than 3K tickets in his personal nation. Abruptly he’ll pack a stadium now. Lol. Yea proper. If Haney is supposedly not a draw and Kambosos can’t promote water to a person within the desert, there shall be no sellout. So as to add he tried to duck Haney for undisputed. And combat Loma. Earlier than this he tried to attend it out like a coward and there have been whispers of the by no means deserving Ryan Garcia getting the combat. You need to be kidding me!

In a time the place so-called followers complain about fighters ducking/avoiding and promoters and TV entities destroying fights, take a look at this. We now have a no person in Kambosos who can’t draw flies to crap demanding a 10M greenback payday. Now I’m not mad at him for getting his retirement fund collectively as a result of after this combat I consider the non-skilled hustle man will fade into obscurity. Floyd wasn’t even getting 10M when he was first thought of p4p. Haney could as properly be Canelo as a result of 10M is what his opponents get. So as to add there’s a rematch clause and if Haney wins the second combat can also be in Australia.  Haney is taking a pay minimize making far lower than he did for Linares for instance and if he wins the primary combat he’s nonetheless the B-side monetarily for the second.  He even needed to signal a 3-fight slave cope with ESPN and the racist Bob Arum.  All this for a combat?   Why no out cry concerning the diva Kambosos placing up so many roadblocks and obstacles. I’ll inform you. White privilege within the soiled sport of boxing. He did all this in hopes of Haney rejecting it. Kambosos hoped to run like a college yard woman to social media and declare Haney ducked him and didn’t need the combat.

However ducking is a sin, and as these earlier than him he can pay for ducking. His 15 minutes is up. There may be nothing from a boxing perspective he does higher than Haney. It’s humorous when somebody’s beats a fighter that’s in such excessive regard (Lopez who was at all times overrated and has critical flaws). He’s now the most effective factor since sliced bread.  Hell, put Valdez in right here with a win over Berchelt.  A couple of months in the past the toughest of hardcore followers knew little to nothing about Kambosos. Devin goes to select him aside. Kambosos isn’t a legacy combat, however being undisputed is. This combat has changed my future Spence-Crawford combat and has changed my thirst to see Stevenson cease the drug cheat Valdez.  I can’t anticipate Haney to beat up Kambosos in Aussie land!

–Lawrence Westbrook

Hey Lawrence. 

I get the place you’re coming from, however I feel you’re being a bit of harsh on Kambosos. I don’t suppose you’ll’ve seen something totally different from every other fighter in the identical place. Keep in mind how “diva-ish” Teofimo bought when he out of the blue turned prime canine? Once you get to the highest, you’re going to have the ability to play that sport and choose and selected your greatest profession choices. It simply appears extra abrasive when it comes from somebody who got here out of nowhere, hastily, to grow to be prime canine shot-caller. 

Simply judging from the media consideration he receives in his native Australia, Kambosos has grow to be a giant deal down beneath. I do not suppose he’d be getting a $10 million, Australian purse (about $7.5 million USD) if organizers did not suppose he may flip a revenue for them. Haney, by the best way, is reportedly incomes about $2.1 million USD for the Kambosos combat, which falls in step with what he typically makes as a WAY overpriced fighter, to be trustworthy (really, numbers are far and wide in terms of how a lot he made at DAZN, with estimates starting from a $1 million to $3 million per combat. Be cautious, by the best way, of any earnings figures you see tossed round on-line. No one however the fighter’s personal administration is aware of what they’re making. Generally even the fighters, themselves, are not sure as to the precise quantity).

Actually, not making an attempt to be an ass right here, however I feel Kambosos is, arguably, an even bigger draw proper now within the US than Haney is. Loads of inventive bean counting and tallying have gone into promoting Haney as a draw, however real-world numbers inform one other story. I’ve seen the stay gate numbers and I’ve heard of his utter lack of ability to attract subscribers. At thousands and thousands per combat, DAZN was hemorrhaging cash on the man. I feel that is why Eddie Hearn and DAZN aren’t precisely crying about him signing with Prime Rank and DiBella. I feel Eddie Hearn’s sport has been to let Haney go and see another person construct his star, then attempt to scoop him again up. 

Competitively, his expertise are apparent and I nonetheless suppose he has an enormous up facet, however his performances have been inconsistent at this newest step up of his profession. I’m positively not as excessive on him as I used to be a pair years again.

I’m not making an attempt to crap on the man. I’m simply making an attempt to place some perspective on a man who’s beginning to develop a Demetrius Andrade-type vibe to his profession. Like Andrade, he BELIEVES himself to be a star and is being paid star cash by dumb cash marks, however in the actual boxing world, he simply doesn’t have the drawing energy he must have leverage in negotiations. So, additionally like Andrade, he presents an excessive amount of threat for too little reward. 

THAT is the rationale we’re seeing Haney take “common” cash and make concessions for what’s believed to be a blockbuster in Australia and a fairly large combat in the remainder of the world. Getting these belts will give him the leverage he must get larger and larger fights. He NEEDS this chance…and he must ship.

As for the combat, itself? I stated final week that, proper now, I’m leaning in the direction of Kambosos. Haney is a greater fighter, however is he harder? Will he be as much as the duty of preventing on such hostile territory? Can he get a good shake? Lots shall be working in opposition to him and he’ll must combat a near-perfect combat with zero slip-ups. I don’t suppose he’s able to that large displaying simply but. I’m hardly saying he has zero likelihood, although. I say it’s in all probability 55-45 or 60-40 that Kambosos wins, however, after all, we’re greater than two months out and I reserve the suitable to alter my thoughts based mostly on what I see main as much as combat night time. 

De La Hoya’s Self-Harmful Grudge

Oscar must get out of his emotions. It is actually beginning to look unhealthy. No matter occurred between GBP, Al Haymon and Stephen Espinoza in all probability is not value Oscar gutting the careers of Jaime Mungia and Vergil Ortiz. As soon as Ryan Garcia grows out of that light-weight body, he’ll grow to be a sufferer of Oscar’s private grudges from over a decade in the past. Oscar has no mobility for any of his fighters between 147-160. The blowback from the Mungia v Charlo conflict is simply a humiliation. Munguia deserves that title shot. However Oscar’s satisfaction and vendetta will not let him negotiate on the opposite facet of the pay wall.  

Perhaps you’ll be able to present some readability.  Is what Haymon and Espinoza did to Oscar worst that what Eddie Hearn did to Oscar? Let’s be trustworthy, Eddie Hearn took Canelo proper from Oscar with out flexing a muscle. Oscar is holding a grudge over spoiled milk. Whereas he maintains a relationship with a community and promoter who took the money cow and p4p king proper from beneath his nostril. You are the boxing aficionado. Perhaps you can also make sense of this. 

— Nail Rahman

Hey Nail. 

I don’t know what goes on in Oscar’s head (and I’m rattling grateful for that). I’d hazard a guess, although, that he sees the lack of Canelo as extra of a Canelo assemble than a Hearn scheme to steal Canelo away. That’s simpler to abdomen since, for some time, all of us type of noticed the writing on the wall when it got here to Alvarez leaving GBP.

What Oscar went by by the hands of Richard Schaefer (and to the advantage of Al Haymon) was way more humiliating, IMO. Oscar was pushed to speculate a lot cash and vitality into constructing fighters who, in the end, have been by no means even his. Schaefer hustled Oscar, who was hobbled by substance abuse points, by holding these guys unbiased whereas Oscar labored beneath the concept that they have been beneath contract. Then, all of them just about went elsewhere, leaving Oscar excessive and dry (no pun supposed). That was chilly.

However, you’re proper. Holding on to that grudge could also be hobbling his potential to do correct enterprise for his fighters. Vergil Ortiz, particularly, goes to wish some PBC names to get titles and construct his star energy. Munguia lacking out on Charlo can also be a giant loss. 

Oscar letting private issues get in the best way of factor is not any shock, although. Within the enterprise area, he’s at all times been his personal worst enemy. He’s bought some good individuals on the prime of GBP, however his presence, due to his identify worth, is heavy of their affairs and he can (and can) deliver down the ship if left to his personal units. 

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